#132280: ""First play random" takes presidence over all other rules"
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• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if applicable.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Please explain what you wanted to do, what you did and what happened
Move 85
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
Move 85
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
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• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
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• Which part of the rules was not followed by the BGA adaptation?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
Move 85
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
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• What was the game action you wanted to do?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• What did you try to do to trigger this game action?
Move 85
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• What happened when you tried to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
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• At which step of the game did the problem occur? What was the current game instruction?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• What happened when you tried to do this game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
Move 85
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
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• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
-
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
Move 85
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v127
Report history
We have always played and interpreted First Play Random in the sense that really the very first thing that you do in your turn, must be a random hand card play.
So there is no way to escape this randomness by using any of the special Rule cards that you mention.
I have been searching the Looney Labs faq for a definitive answer on the correct interpretation either way, but I can’t seem to find it.
But either way, even if they would confirm you are right, I am afraid it would be a very invasive fix that would take a lot of work, and with many card interactions possibly leading to other new bugs.
All in all, it just seems too much work and risk, specially since the game was released on BGA over 3 years ago already.
Thanks for the report though, and I hope you keep playing and enjoying Fluxx!
At the same time, the description still says "the first card you play", so maybe @Oxtrosk's interpretation is correct. Furthermore, it could be argued that the "swap plays for draws" card technically meets the condition that "the current rule cards allow you to play only one card", allowing the "first play random" card to be skipped
(I know this discussion is pointless since @wolmot has made the final decision. I just felt like looking into it anyway)
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