#21728: "Safeguards to prevent poor bids (e.g. bidding Ultimo without the Pagat)"
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In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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Google Chrome v84
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In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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• Which part of the rules was not followed by the BGA adaptation?
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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• What was the game action you wanted to do?
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• What did you try to do to trigger this game action?
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• What happened when you tried to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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• At which step of the game did the problem occur? What was the current game instruction?
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• What happened when you tried to do this game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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Declarer: 8 (or 9) trumps, pass
Partner: (holding both high honours) Trull, ultimo, pass
Thus not only announcing ultimo (which will be successful) but also indicating holding both high honours (since otherwise they wouldn't know that the declarer holds the pagat) and thereby potentially opening the door for further announcements.
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(In a yielded game or accepted invitation)
Declarer: 8 (or 9) trumps, pass
Partner: (the yielding/inviting player, holding 5+ trumps) Ultimo, pass
This works because if the declarer had a high honour, they would be expected to announce trull with 5+ trumps, thus they must have the pagat. Trull therefore won't work, but ultimo very likely will. And it is true that the declarer can expect 5+ trumps on the partner's hand anyway (they shouldn't have yielded/invited otherwise), but it's better to leave the announcement to the partner regardless, in case they, too, have 8 or 9 trumps and run the risk of preventing the ultimo themselves.
Or even
(In a yielded game or accepted invitation)
Declarer: Pass
Partner: (the yielding/inviting player, holding two honours) 8 (or 9) trumps, trull, pass
Declarer: (holding 4+/3+ trumps) Ultimo, pass
Here the partner's trull announcement signals the pagat: the declarer is supposed to announce trull with 5+ trumps, so the partner's trull announcement is basically saying "I know you do have a high honour because I have the two others". The declarer is then expected to announce ultimo if they have enough trumps to do so - or not, in which case the pagat will be led early, while the high honour is still there to take it, to ensure trull.
The only announcement that is legal but not available on the interface is XXI-catch while holding the XXI. :) That never makes sense. (But the XXI-catch announcement brings up a confirmation dialog even when it is available because it is so extremely seldom that it can be announced.)
I still think that it could be useful to have a warning on the bid, for new players. I am not saying you would disable bidding Pagat if you do not hold it, as there are reasons for this as you rightfully point out! Just something making sure that the player definitely wants to bid Ultimo.
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