#48711: "RED THUMBS should be disabled in Arena."
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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Google Chrome v93
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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Google Chrome v93
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v93
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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Google Chrome v93
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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Google Chrome v93
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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Google Chrome v93
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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Google Chrome v93
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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Google Chrome v93
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In a fair competition players can not select their opponents.
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Google Chrome v93
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At least in 1v1 games, there is NO reason why Arena matchmaking should take red thumbs into account — it opens up room for manipulation and cheating, and we have this very concrete example in Onitama!!
Limit nb of RT per day/week, and or timelimit them so a review every 1-2-3 month is needed to keep them or remove them by default.
Because I don't want to play the army of players who think it's ok to play for an hour and quit on the last turn when they know they have lost that exist for certain games. If the penalties for such behaviour were harsher then this would make sense, but otherwise it's untenable to me.
The other issue is some of the other actions taken encourage using the red thumb for other reasons. Again, it's not something I do, but I can understand why players red thumb players they don't want to play because of the ELO reducer, because games where you can't win ELO, only lose are also tedious. This issue is one that could easily be fixed by going back to how it used to be, but so far BGA have stood by this change, which will lead to more behaviour like this.
It does not. As long as BGA refuse to moderate these players (you cannot even report them - site tells you to "Red thumb" them instead) they will continue to exist because there will always be a next victim and because making new accounts to manipulate rating with is free. Competitive integrity is not gained by letting people choose to not play with cheaters, it is only gained by removing cheaters and bad sport from the pool and so is a bad reason to keep red thumbs in arena.
This issue is getting ridiculous now and is very frustrating. As someone who has actively played arena for many years and been fortunate enough to have season wins for several successive seasons, I now struggle get a game since many other active players have just added red thumbs to prevent matches and losses.
Arena is going down the route where it's not going to be the best player in games with less players but the one that plays the system which is wrong
I want the option to block:
1) Players who take advantage of technological problems to kick other players out of games to score freebie points. These players cannot even be reported because this is not against the rules.
2) Passive aggressive players
3) Arena players who play with multiple accounts.
If BGA had a setting so players could choose to not match with any player who has gone over their time limit or other basic infractions, the need for the red thumbs would be reduced. Players should also have the option to turn off chat to remove the need to red thumb verbally abusive players.
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