#86291: "Allow peeking in phase B (as an option)"
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• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if applicable.
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
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You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
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This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
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In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
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As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
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• Please explain what you wanted to do, what you did and what happened
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
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In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
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• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
-----------------------
In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
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• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
-----------------------
In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
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• Which part of the rules was not followed by the BGA adaptation?
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
-----------------------
In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
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• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
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• What was the game action you wanted to do?
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
-----------------------
In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
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• What did you try to do to trigger this game action?
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• What happened when you tried to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
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• At which step of the game did the problem occur? What was the current game instruction?
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
-----------------------
In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
-
• What happened when you tried to do this game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
-
• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
-----------------------
In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
-
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
-----------------------
In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
-
• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
-
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
First, I'm fully aware that the rule doesn't allow this.
Page 7:
You can take only the top card of a discard pile, and you cannot look through the discard piles.
So we might need clearance from the designer to allow this as an option.
-------------
This being said, looking through comments on BGG, it seems to be a rather common house rule.
More importantly, removing memory elements from a game is a very common adaptation on BGA because of turn-based mode.
You can expect people to remember things in a 30min game that you can't expect them to remember it when playing 1 turn every 2 days...
It pushes people into writing things down or computing the current situation by adding up what's in the log or do a "replay from" etc..
If you can rebuild hidden information via the log or "replay from" then the rule is in a way already broken and we should just display the info so as to put everyone back on the same footing. (Provided that "memory" isn't an quintessential component of the game in which case you probably simply do not allow turn-based mode for that game)
Take for instance what was done for the bags in "Automobiles".
With everything I explained above, I'm not even sure that we need author permission for this. But I fully understand if you feel that you do.
-----------------------
In my opinion, the ideal would be a 3 values option:
- No Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed
- Peeking allowed in turn-based mode
The point of the 3 option being that it can be set as the chosen option for Arena mode if the gurus want it.
-----
As for the actual implementation, the simplest would probably be that hovering on a discarded card would show all the cards in the stack (from left to right representing cards from bottom to top).
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v102
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