#109718: "Cheating? Player not entering any question and directly testing the right code"
What is this report about?
What happened? Please select from below
What happened? Please select from below
Please check if there is already a report on the same subject
If yes, please VOTE for this report. Reports with the most votes are given PRIORITY!
| # | Status | Votes | Game | Type | Title | Last update |
|---|
Detailed description
-
• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if applicable.
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
-
• Please explain what you wanted to do, what you did and what happened
The whole game.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• Which part of the rules was not followed by the BGA adaptation?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
-
• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
The whole game.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• What was the game action you wanted to do?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
-
• What did you try to do to trigger this game action?
The whole game.
-
• What happened when you tried to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• At which step of the game did the problem occur? What was the current game instruction?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
-
• What happened when you tried to do this game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
The whole game.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
-
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
In arena game #458628987 my opponent didn't enter any question at all and directly tested the right code and the log showed for him/her that "You found the code in 1 round(s) and 0 question(s)."
I thought there might be a display error, showing my questions but not his/her, but even replaying the game as him/her showed he/she just entered the right code, waited a bit, then passed to answer "Yes" to testing a code and entered the right code again.
I believe he/she might be cheating somehow (having a collection of problems with results, checking the Turing Machine website etc). He/she currently has a rank of 434.....
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v120
Report history
in the my game, the person also did not select a single verifier by entering the code correctly
1. Those problems are absolutely solvable without needing any tests, just using pure deduction. They're actually relatively straightforward, I've solved them in that way myself. No cheating is required, given enough time.
2. There are very few puzzles with the settings Classic/Standard/6 verifiers, and they are all variants of the same basic puzzle. Once you have solved one, it's very easy to see at a glance what the answer will be to any of them.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely a bad idea to allow players to choose their own settings for Arena Mode, as is currently the case. There need to be fixed settings for the season so that people can not choose to use settings with such a limited range of puzzles.
I started responding to "bug" reports as there were so many that weren't actually bugs, just people misunderstanding, and I can't seem to stop myself checking them 😁
These look-tables can be prepared beforehand by anybody, given enough time and commitment, or by other automatic means, involving no thought process whatsoever. While the former can be perhaps acceptable to some (not to me personally), the latter is probably a no no to everyone.
Anyway, having look-up tables to consult means one can solve a problem with very few questions (1-2 or, in some cases, even 0). Imho, this makes this great game one to be avoided for online games, unless you really trust your opponents to play fair (i.e. reason it all out on the spot) and play casual or select at least standard, if not even hard, mode, and hope for the best, if you really need to play arena.
In 3min, you can do most of the potential deductions.
459792785
459806611
459790596
I don't know how game is working, I think that there are some limitations and not any verifiers combination is possible, but I've wrote simple prog in Python (onlinegdb.com/KmAQYPjm7) to check table in topic (458628987) and it looks like there are 34 different combinations of verifiers where are only single answer is correct. For example if verifers are 3,1,1,1,1,1 (A verifies variant 3, i.e. square>3 and others verifies first variant), then there is also single answer - 245.
So without knowing how real game is working there is no way logically find out answer only using logic.
It is clear you do *not* know how the game works!
You are likely missing the 2 most important rules:
1) No verifier can be redundant
2) There must be a unique solution.
Let's give a simple example: if the Verifiers for "Yellow compared to Purple" and "Which colour is smallest" are both in a puzzle, you know right away, without any tests, that Blue is smallest. This is because any other result would make the other verifier redundant (i.e. it would provide no new information), which is not allowed in a valid puzzle.
Using the 2 listed rules, it is usually possible to solve a Classic puzzle in under 3 tests, and frequently they can be solved in 0 tests.
It may be a matter of BGA only using a limited number of game sets, but this is definitely against the spirit and written rules of the game.
Now if they can reliable do the same in hard/realtime games you might have a point.
Now if they can reliable do the same in hard/realtime games you might have a point.
Thanks! To be honest I am new to the game and think I was missing a level of nuance here.
The rules say "You will need the criteria of all verifiers to find the code. No criterion is superfluous", which to me suggested that at an absolute minimum any number of questions that's fewer than the number of verifiers is suspect. That being said, the fine folk at boardgamegeek have certainly identified a number of game states that can be solved with 0 questions ( boardgamegeek.com/thread/3166002/no-question-challenges-5-cards-classic-easy-mode-o ) so I'm happy to concede that a 0 question solution isn't a guarantee of cheating.
I still have uncomfortable feelings about 0 question solutions on BGA as it's certainly possible that there's a limited set of easy puzzles that people are able to look up for quick wins and the losers wouldn't be able to tell, but if BGA is using a large catalogue then I guess it's just time to sharpen my pencil!
github.com/ThomasdenH/turing-machine-ai
J ai testé le bon code du 1er coup par hasard.
Mais il y avait 6 cartes de tests, donc impossible de conclure.
Le joueur en face a fait 2 tests et validé LA BONNE RÉPONSE.
Je pense que dans les lignes de code, il apparaît le numéro qu il y a dans le jeu.
La personne en face me semble avoir triché et utilisé le livret de réponses inclus dans le jeu.
However unless I'm mistaken, the specific test your opponent gave to E didn't actually give the required information. I was left with 354 or 435 at that point, and their specific test would not help to narrow that down (but a different test code would).
So in conclusion, getting the correct answer in 2 tests is completely possible, purely by deduction. However unless I'm mistaken, your opponent's specific tests would actually have left 2 possible answers, so they only had a 50/50 chance of getting the correct answer.
My solution wasn't a guarantee (actually I tried solving it again just now and got it wrong), but at the time it felt like the most likely solution, and it ended up being correct. Here was my logic:
-Verifier C gives the only piece of information for purple, so purple should be the smallest
-Verifier D is questioning how many even numbers there are. Usually, but not always, in this case there are 2 even numbers.
-There's not a lot of info about what blue and yellow are. I doubt that they're the same number, though, because unless they're both 4, there's not enough info to tell what they are. And if they are both 4, then there's not enough info to tell what purple is (unless Verifier D says that all 3 are even numbers, which I doubt). If yellow is 5, then blue must be lower and could be 2-4. If yellow is 2 or 3, there's the same issue with multiple possibilities for blue. If yellow is 4, blue could be 2 or 3, or 5. 5 is the only one that is sequestered off, so I believe Verifier B will say that blue is greater than yellow, and Verifier A will say yellow is 4.
-Since purple is the smallest, it must be the only even number remaining: 2.
The only thing I was positive about was that purple had to be the smallest. The rest could have easily been wrong.
Add to this report
- Another table ID / move ID
- Did F5 solve the problem?
- Did the problem appear several times? Every time? Randomly?
- If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
