#157232: "Use 9 One-Off effect against point cards"
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• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if applicable.
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
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Could not use 9 ability.
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Safari v18.3
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Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
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• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
Could not use 9 ability.
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
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• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
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• Which part of the rules was not followed by the BGA adaptation?
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
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• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
Could not use 9 ability.
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
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• What was the game action you wanted to do?
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
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• What did you try to do to trigger this game action?
Could not use 9 ability.
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• What happened when you tried to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
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• At which step of the game did the problem occur? What was the current game instruction?
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
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• What happened when you tried to do this game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
Could not use 9 ability.
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
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• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
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• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
Could not use 9 ability.
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
Tried to use a 9, but the ability was grayed out. It said move effect to top of pile. It should move any card to the top of the deck regardless of what it is.
• Which browser are you using?
Safari v18.3
Report history
www.pagat.com/combat/cuttle.html
The 9 should only be able to target active Permanent Effects on the table (even with the Deck Nines alternative rule). The game appears to be acting correctly in this case.
Since the balanced rules are inspired by the cuttle.cards variant, I'm okay making this change, but I would like to make sure it would be good for the game.
Most of the changes cuttle.cards made from the base rules are clarified in a discussion on Discord or a Reddit thread, but I cannot find any reference to this difference.
I basically want to make sure it wasn't an accident that just continued to be propagated.
As noted in the "variations" section of the pagat page, this effect, as written is almost **entirely** useles, as the opponent can simply play the returned card on their next turn, at which poitn we are in the exact same situation with the sole change of the person who played the nine no longer having the nine in their hand
This means that in the exact wording on pagat, the only time where playing a 9 for its effect would matter at all is a time where it immediately wins you the game (because you targeted a jack), and the only time that this would be any more beneficial than simply playing the 9 for points is when the player with the 9 has exactly 11 points and their opponent has previously jacked a 10
That's an interesting scenario but it clearly doesn't succeed at delivering an effect that captures the feeling of "sending things back" while being paractiaclly useful
cuttle.cards actually predates the update to the "Variations" section where the suggestion for forcing opponents to wait an additional turn was added to the pagat page (only under variations)
When I was first learning the game with my sister back around 2013, it was quickly clear that the 9's effect as written wasn't useful. We aimed to make a minimal change to make the effect usable, while preserving its feel. That's why we landed on the same idea you now see in the pagat page: requiring the opponent to wait an additional turn to play the returned card
The specific question here is whether or not the 9 One-Off should be used only on Permanent Effects, or if it should be useable against point cards as well.
It should be immediately active in all games, just refresh the page if necessary.
"9 did not let me use ability"
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"Use 9 One-Off effect against point cards"
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